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commissioner antonini? >> aye. >> commissioner borden? >> aye. >> commissioner hillis? >> aye. >> commissioner moore? >> aye. >> commissioner sugaya? >> yee. aye. >> commissioner wu? >> aye. >> and commission president fong? >> aye. >> so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 7 to 0 and places you under commissioners questions items and matters. item 8, consideration of draft minutes of regular meeting of november 1st, 2012 and draft minutes of regular meeting of november 8th, 2012. >> any public comment on draft minutes? commissioner antonini? >> seeing none, move to approve. >> second. >> on that motion to adopt minutes of november 1st and november 8th of this year, commissioner antonini? >> aye. >> commissioner borden? >> aye. >> commissioner hillis? >> aye. >> commissioner moore? >> aye. >> commissioner sugaya? >> aye. >> commissioner wu? >> aye. >> and commission president fong? >> aye. >> so moved, commissioners. that motion passes unanimously. and places you under item 9, commission co
commissioner antonini? >> aye. >> commissioner borden? >> aye. >> commissioner hillis? >> aye. >> commissioner moore? >> aye. >> commissioner sugaya? >> yee. aye. >> commissioner wu? >> aye. >> and commission president fong? >> aye. >> so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 7 to 0 and places you under commissioners questions items and matters. item 8, consideration of draft minutes of regular...
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commissioner antonini. >> move to approve. >> is there a second? >> i will second. >> thank you commissioner. on that motion to not take it commissioner. >> aye. >> commissioner borden no. >> commissioner hillis. >> aye. >> commissioner moore. >> no. >> commissioner sugaya. >> aye. >> commissioner wu. >> no. >> and commission president fong. >> aye. >> so moved commissioners. that passes four-three with commissioners borden and wu and moore voting against want commissioners that places you under commissioners questions and matters. item four adoption of draft minutes of the last meeting. >> i'm sorry. commissioner moore. >> is there public comment first. >> i'm sorry. opening up for general public comment -- i'm sorry. i'm off. >> it's minutes. comment on minutes. >> public comment on minutes for draft minutes for approval? apologize. seeing none commissioner antonini. >> no. i am sorry. i had my name up. we have the omission of full name of angelica and there is a question mark and caband. >> thank you commissioner. >> commissioner antonini. >> i
commissioner antonini. >> move to approve. >> is there a second? >> i will second. >> thank you commissioner. on that motion to not take it commissioner. >> aye. >> commissioner borden no. >> commissioner hillis. >> aye. >> commissioner moore. >> no. >> commissioner sugaya. >> aye. >> commissioner wu. >> no. >> and commission president fong. >> aye. >> so moved commissioners. that passes...
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seeing none, commissioner antonini. >> commissioner antonini: move to approve. >> second. >> the clerk: on that motion, commissioner antonini, aye, commissioner borden, aye, hillis, wu, aye, fong, aye. so moved that passes unanimously. commissioners, we are going to call items 9(a) and b out of order. at 4 i 22 vincente street. >> ask the commission to recuse myself as we prepared materials for the project sponsor. >> move to recuse commissioner sugaya. >> second. >> on the motion to recuse, commissioner antonini, aye, commissioner borden, aye, commissioner wu, aye, commissioner fong, aye. so moved. >> good afternoon, president fong, members of the planning commission, staff tom wang, discretionary review case. this is discretionary review involving demolition in a new building. the proposal is to demolish an existing two story vacant single family dwelling with a non-functional garage and replace it with a new single family dwelling, two story over garage. the report provided by the project sponsor, the department believes the -- demonstrated the existing structure is unsound. and the
seeing none, commissioner antonini. >> commissioner antonini: move to approve. >> second. >> the clerk: on that motion, commissioner antonini, aye, commissioner borden, aye, hillis, wu, aye, fong, aye. so moved that passes unanimously. commissioners, we are going to call items 9(a) and b out of order. at 4 i 22 vincente street. >> ask the commission to recuse myself as we prepared materials for the project sponsor. >> move to recuse commissioner sugaya. >>...
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to adopt the modifications as proposed by staff commissioner antonini. >>> no. >> borden, aye, hillis, commissioners that passes with six to one with commissioner antonini voting against. >>> yeah, the s pc resolution, is transmitted to us by the hp c now do we need too take action of some kind on this or do you want us to acknowledge it? >>> you are not required to take any action, the recommendation that they passed is to the board of supervisor but it's here for you to include it or make recommendations. >> no, i think we have taken acon one of their recommendations which, is to provide land use for prop that are to the of local landmark stot and expand on that and the last bullet are technical changes to the code and the other ones are more policy related and so, i think we are all well and good i don't know if we really need too take specific axon it. >> if i can just point out really quickly, if any of the recommendations specifically related to the area plan, for the amendment to the general area plan if you wanted to adopt any of those, if we don't dhaip now if the board of su
to adopt the modifications as proposed by staff commissioner antonini. >>> no. >> borden, aye, hillis, commissioners that passes with six to one with commissioner antonini voting against. >>> yeah, the s pc resolution, is transmitted to us by the hp c now do we need too take action of some kind on this or do you want us to acknowledge it? >>> you are not required to take any action, the recommendation that they passed is to the board of supervisor but it's here...
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thank you. >> commissioner antonini. >> i had a few questions. i think this is really a good project in its concept, a wonderful one. i'm very ken urged to hear project sponsor will be doing the maintenance also in the future. so, one would assume they will keep it well maintained because they have an interest in making it attractive for theirors. -- rentors. or will they have security or will it be up to sfpd? >> we have to develop an operations and maintenance plan for this. i'm sure it will be part of the consideration. i know there will be security. we haven't determined what that process will be yet. >> that can be worked out. the other thing is you spoke a little bit about the landscaping and you mentioned there will be these lawns which one would assume they will have the flexibility to put in what they want to do and it would be the kind of grass you can actually sit on because the city has been putting a lot of this bent grass in that they don't mow to save a little bit of water and you can't walk on it and ruin it. i'm assuming it will
thank you. >> commissioner antonini. >> i had a few questions. i think this is really a good project in its concept, a wonderful one. i'm very ken urged to hear project sponsor will be doing the maintenance also in the future. so, one would assume they will keep it well maintained because they have an interest in making it attractive for theirors. -- rentors. or will they have security or will it be up to sfpd? >> we have to develop an operations and maintenance plan for this....
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. >> commissioner antonini. >> well, thank you. in regards to the four blocks as we all know, there's a huge infrastructure investment in the central subway and other things. you know, it has been looked at as an area that would lend itself to development and makes a lot of sense to me. but i do remember during eastern neighborhoods when we had an area that we left out of the eastern neighborhoods and we kept it fli voting, i can't remember the exact borders of that because we weren't sure exactly what was going to come forward in the future. and perhaps something along that line might make sense. there are a couple of ways. we could leave -- i don't know what the existing zoning is in terms of -- i'm not sure it's an m1, i don't know what's zoned there at the present time. but whatever it is, the present zoning could stay in place, but it would be included as part of western soma for purposes of area plans. but there would be a restrictions on any kind of building before we were able to pass judgment on the central corridor. so, n
. >> commissioner antonini. >> well, thank you. in regards to the four blocks as we all know, there's a huge infrastructure investment in the central subway and other things. you know, it has been looked at as an area that would lend itself to development and makes a lot of sense to me. but i do remember during eastern neighborhoods when we had an area that we left out of the eastern neighborhoods and we kept it fli voting, i can't remember the exact borders of that because we...
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[speaker not understood]. >> commissioners, on that motion to approve, commissioner antonini? >> aye. >> commissioner borden? >> aye. >> commissioner hillis? >> aye. >> commissioner moore? >> aye. >> commissioner sugaya? >> aye. >> commissioner wu? >> aye. >> and commission president fong? >> aye. >> so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 7 to 0. >> just a quick announcement. a little bit of unusual calendar today. we have a time certain item at 3 o'clock. we're going to take the next item and then after that hear the 3 o'clock. i think it's item number 17, thank you. so, the next one tehama, please. >> commissioners, before you are items 17 a and b, for case numbers 2008.0801e, x and v, 41 tehama street, request for determination of compliance and variance. >> good afternoon, president fong and member of the commission. my name is [speaker not understood]. if i could have the laptop screen on the overhead, please. the request before you today is for several actions regarding the project at 41 tehama street which would construct a 31 story building reaching a
[speaker not understood]. >> commissioners, on that motion to approve, commissioner antonini? >> aye. >> commissioner borden? >> aye. >> commissioner hillis? >> aye. >> commissioner moore? >> aye. >> commissioner sugaya? >> aye. >> commissioner wu? >> aye. >> and commission president fong? >> aye. >> so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 7 to 0. >> just a quick announcement. a...
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>> that move passes for to three with commissioners antonini, hillis and fong voting against. so i'm want to go make a motion for 113. commissioner sugayaa. >> yeah, i would like to include some language that -- but i do not want to support the language that says we support continued evaluation and the one that is supported by staff and i'm perfectally willing to acknowledge that the process is under way and that we recognize that this process is under way. >>> second. >> commissioner antonini. >>> i would prefer staff language and i think if i'm not missustain, it was objective one 1.5 is that correct? language that makes it quite clear that there is a process already gone gun and that is one that we should be focusing on and while we are improving the shrinkage or down zoning of that area in this plan that we have our eyes forward to that and it doesn't say it's a preferred option and it does talk about it being out there in the future and so i would not be supportive of this particular one, i prefer the other. >> commissioner hillis. >> yeah, i prefer the objective one 1.5
>> that move passes for to three with commissioners antonini, hillis and fong voting against. so i'm want to go make a motion for 113. commissioner sugayaa. >> yeah, i would like to include some language that -- but i do not want to support the language that says we support continued evaluation and the one that is supported by staff and i'm perfectally willing to acknowledge that the process is under way and that we recognize that this process is under way. >>> second....
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>> that is correct, commissioner antonini. >> commissioner antonini: this view is a little bit oblique. the other question i have is that there is a little bit of an elevation on this, and sometimes if the garage door isn't wide enough, it's difficult when you try to get your car in there. i don't know. i may ask the project sponsor's attorney a question in just a the setback issue that would be on the second floor, is that correct, mr. wang, where we want the setback on the second floor. >> it is on the top floor, the third floor. >> commissioner antonini: third, rather. second floor above the garage, garage being the first floor which does go down the hill quite a ways too. okay. i don't really see that as much of an impact as i do the rear setback you're advocating for because it seems to me that even in its present position, the third floor setback does not have too much of an impact on the adjacent property but the rear of the building might have more of an impact. so i would be more interested in -- maybe i could ask project sponsor's attorney about the suggestions in the rear. t
>> that is correct, commissioner antonini. >> commissioner antonini: this view is a little bit oblique. the other question i have is that there is a little bit of an elevation on this, and sometimes if the garage door isn't wide enough, it's difficult when you try to get your car in there. i don't know. i may ask the project sponsor's attorney a question in just a the setback issue that would be on the second floor, is that correct, mr. wang, where we want the setback on the second...
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commissioner antonini? >> i have a question, ms. hayward, first, for the modifications. if i'm reading this right, the legislation calls for an initial filing by all post secondary institutions that provide student housing with an inventory of all their existing housing on and off campus. is that correct? >> [speaker not understood], yes. the legislation requires an annual report to be filed by all institutions, yes, or people who control student housing. >> right. but then i thought i heard with your modification would be the annual report would not be as extensive as it was. they'd only have to file a paper saying that there were no changes. is that what you're proposing? >> just to clarify, the department's recommendation is slightly different from what [speaker not understood] just explained. the department's recommendation is that there be an initial report provided by all institutionses and operatorses of student housing. subsequent to that initial report, our recommendation is that a report -- a report only be filed when there is a change or when the incentive is
commissioner antonini? >> i have a question, ms. hayward, first, for the modifications. if i'm reading this right, the legislation calls for an initial filing by all post secondary institutions that provide student housing with an inventory of all their existing housing on and off campus. is that correct? >> [speaker not understood], yes. the legislation requires an annual report to be filed by all institutions, yes, or people who control student housing. >> right. but then i...
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. >>> commissioner antonini. >> thank you, i think it's a wonderful project and probably the first that we have seen of it's size that combines a very large commercial building with a residential building and is the epitome of having people working downtown and living downtown and most of the benefit have been stated and i think it's a beautiful design but i'll speak in favor the five-yarr entitlement because my guess is that the measure 1.5 in the t cd p plan that allows for the longer entitlement period is designed to their specificity and i think that although this is about 95,000 square feet short of that $500,000, 500,000 square feet, the overall building is far more than that and the complexity is very complex because you have got go down 65 feet. you have all of the responsibility of shoring against the train box that is being built for the rail extension and if you ever if you ever have a large very complex approval process and very heavy liability concerns, i can't think of a project that would be more difficult than this one would be and so -- and of course, it was also mentio
. >>> commissioner antonini. >> thank you, i think it's a wonderful project and probably the first that we have seen of it's size that combines a very large commercial building with a residential building and is the epitome of having people working downtown and living downtown and most of the benefit have been stated and i think it's a beautiful design but i'll speak in favor the five-yarr entitlement because my guess is that the measure 1.5 in the t cd p plan that allows for the...
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commissioner antonini. >> thank you. i'm very much in favor of this proposal and i also live in the neighborhood in west side -- west lakeside village. i'm sorry, west portal frequently. and there are a lot of vacancies. and this particular space is tiny. its frontage is 11-1/2 feet. and, so, it's a very hard thing to fill. and we are losing businesses partly because of what's happening online and i hope that doesn't continue because, you know, i don't shop online and i discourage other people from doing it because it just knocks out jobs for people in retail places. but until we have that turn around, there is going to be this problem with trying to get retail to be vital and there's lots of other spaces. the other thing that impresses me, they're taking 545 feet of their space and turning it into a community room. and the argument that the merchants will go back to meeting and squat and gobble and rebuilt, which will be quite a while. begs a question. a lot of meetings you have, you don't necessarily want to include fo
commissioner antonini. >> thank you. i'm very much in favor of this proposal and i also live in the neighborhood in west side -- west lakeside village. i'm sorry, west portal frequently. and there are a lot of vacancies. and this particular space is tiny. its frontage is 11-1/2 feet. and, so, it's a very hard thing to fill. and we are losing businesses partly because of what's happening online and i hope that doesn't continue because, you know, i don't shop online and i discourage other...
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commissioner antonini. >> thank you. so, commissioner sugaya, would you be interested in another hearing possibly? [laughter] >> let me put forth -- >> really. >> let me put forth what my idea would be and let's see if it has support. and parenthetically, there are some additions of things in this. i i understand the negative declarations now would have to be appealed to us first, which was not necessarily the case. so, there's more process added in some of these. i would move that we recommend to the supervisor support, but with these modifications. longer, but clear, clear appeal periods, not to exceed three months from whatever we determine to be the date of the first complete approval document. and what i mean by that is something that you can begin to build on. if you get a plumbing permit, if you get, you know, the very first permit that you're going to be building something that really doesn't give the public much of an input as to what you're going to build. but if you have something that has the pl
commissioner antonini. >> thank you. so, commissioner sugaya, would you be interested in another hearing possibly? [laughter] >> let me put forth -- >> really. >> let me put forth what my idea would be and let's see if it has support. and parenthetically, there are some additions of things in this. i i understand the negative declarations now would have to be appealed to us first, which was not necessarily the case. so, there's more process added in some of these. i...
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commissioner antonini. >> thank you. actually, was able to go out there and see the site a little bit in the past, but i did have a question maybe for ms. barkley. i guess, i'm looking at the two plans next to each other. if i am correct, there are no changes that are being proposed by d-r requestor to the lower two floors. it's only the upper floor -- >> that's correct. >> and i guess everyone is agreed upon the light gray color and the translucent windows to, you know, minimize the amount of darkness on that area. and i think -- >>> that is already established. >> all i'm seeing here is the family room being moved to the sort of more to the center and taking up part of the open roof that would be to the east side if my direction is complete. and they're claiming this family room is larger in the version, the janet campbell version than the other version. i haven't quite been able to figure that out and they're putting a couple skylights in that area. >>> first of all, i think the first thing is that the owners wanted t
commissioner antonini. >> thank you. actually, was able to go out there and see the site a little bit in the past, but i did have a question maybe for ms. barkley. i guess, i'm looking at the two plans next to each other. if i am correct, there are no changes that are being proposed by d-r requestor to the lower two floors. it's only the upper floor -- >> that's correct. >> and i guess everyone is agreed upon the light gray color and the translucent windows to, you know,...
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there was a request by the commission -- i believe commissioner antonini, for us to briefly re-cap what western soma is proposing in the overlap area and what the sort of the draft preliminary concepts are for the central corridor planned area so i will do that briefly, and you can see up on the and you have in the packet a comparative map showing the proposed western soma zoning on the left and the current draft concepts for the central corridor plan on the right, and the overlap areas are outlined in red there, and just important to clarify the overlap area is more than four blocks. i keep hearing that term. it's more to six to eight blocks. six whole blocks and a couple partial blocks. by in large south of harrison street the western soma plan proposes the sally zone with the exception with the areas along townson street and that district. north of harrison street the plan proposes the western soma mug, mixed use district and the concepts developed for the plan include south of bryant street considering mixed use office for the areas in western soma would be sally or western soma mix
there was a request by the commission -- i believe commissioner antonini, for us to briefly re-cap what western soma is proposing in the overlap area and what the sort of the draft preliminary concepts are for the central corridor planned area so i will do that briefly, and you can see up on the and you have in the packet a comparative map showing the proposed western soma zoning on the left and the current draft concepts for the central corridor plan on the right, and the overlap areas are...
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commissioner antonini. >> in terms of open space, i mean, not going back to the distant past, but telegraph and russian hills were very densely built, but most people feel they're quite attractive and appropriate places to live and we were able to capture the top of telegraph hill as an open space. but the sides of the hills were pretty densely built and i'm not saying we should do that entirely on twin peaks, but, you know, i think where this opportunity presents itself to build a building which will be probably architecturally the best up there, i think that we should do it and i would support the project. >> commissioner sugaya. >> following the logic of building an open space, if there weren't a garden there now and it was just what is being characterized as this particular open space, we would be approving apartment projects up and down the [speaker not understood] steps. >> commissioners, there is a motion to not take dr and approve. commissioner sugaya. >> aye. >> commissioner sugaya? >> aye. >> [speaker not understood]. >> and commission president fong? >> so moved, commissioners, t
commissioner antonini. >> in terms of open space, i mean, not going back to the distant past, but telegraph and russian hills were very densely built, but most people feel they're quite attractive and appropriate places to live and we were able to capture the top of telegraph hill as an open space. but the sides of the hills were pretty densely built and i'm not saying we should do that entirely on twin peaks, but, you know, i think where this opportunity presents itself to build a...
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commissioner antonini. >> i think this is an excellent project for a lot of reasons that have already been brought up. pointed out the siting in such a way to allow access to oscar park, allow light and air into a whole area of the city. i think that's extremely well done. there was one comment made by a commenter that they don't see the cumulative appearance, but architect has done a very good job of our materials put on the screen and showing what the skyline would look like with all the buildings in place that are those that we know of are either already entitled or are planned to be entitled in the future. and i think that answers a lot of the questions about what the cumulative effect of all the build
commissioner antonini. >> i think this is an excellent project for a lot of reasons that have already been brought up. pointed out the siting in such a way to allow access to oscar park, allow light and air into a whole area of the city. i think that's extremely well done. there was one comment made by a commenter that they don't see the cumulative appearance, but architect has done a very good job of our materials put on the screen and showing what the skyline would look like with all...
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commissioner antonini, i would move to adopt? >> second. >> commissioner antonini? >> yes, as you know, there is a statewide requirement to provide housing for all income levels and in particular county or cities. but it does not necessarily have to be inclusionary housing. i mean, you can use other methods of doing it. from what i understand, and maybe you could comment on other jurisdictions within the bay area? what do they do? if they use inclusionary, what sort of percentages of ami are they using for their rental and housing or ownership units? are they similar to ours? are they lower percentages? well, there is an ami level and there is also the 15% on-site and 20% offsite? >> i'm afraid i can't comment on that. i am not familiar with inclusionary programs in other jurisdictions. >> that is a problem for me, because when i am asked to vote on this, i have to know what other places are doing and i think you are doing a good job, but i don't think i can support it at that point, because i really don't have all the information. if it comes up in the future, i wo
commissioner antonini, i would move to adopt? >> second. >> commissioner antonini? >> yes, as you know, there is a statewide requirement to provide housing for all income levels and in particular county or cities. but it does not necessarily have to be inclusionary housing. i mean, you can use other methods of doing it. from what i understand, and maybe you could comment on other jurisdictions within the bay area? what do they do? if they use inclusionary, what sort of...
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. * >> commissioner antonini. >> i just wanted to ask one other question, maybe for ms. barkley, i guess, would probably be the best speaking for project sponsors. the other part of the picture was to take part of that deck and turn it into a skylight on the other section without moving the family room. would that have an adverse effect on your project? >>> first of all, we are talking about there are five, what they are basically talking about -- now we're talking about moving the privacy screen that they asked for in the five feet and there is a problem about how you support that going up when you're moving it into the middle of the deck instead of following basically the exterior because you're going to have to anchor that because it doesn't have any roof. and then in addition to that, in the front at the very end, actually, facing the backyard, we have created a -- to address the privacy concern, we have now created a fairly deep planter area. so, there are actually two railings in that area that run right about the property line is 30 inches, then going in three fee
. * >> commissioner antonini. >> i just wanted to ask one other question, maybe for ms. barkley, i guess, would probably be the best speaking for project sponsors. the other part of the picture was to take part of that deck and turn it into a skylight on the other section without moving the family room. would that have an adverse effect on your project? >>> first of all, we are talking about there are five, what they are basically talking about -- now we're talking about...
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. >> commissioner antonini. >>> yeah, air force question for mr. tig, in regards to the individually eligible -- individual properties now two questions first of all,, i heard you say something about north of harrison it seems it to me, that they should be eligible anywhere in the district including the area south but most of them are north and north of hair south but it it would seem to me that the whole point is allow them the flexibility to develop what they need to be viable and if they happen to be in a district that is more restricted than it used to to be i'm to the sure what you are saying in your proposal. >> sure so again, that the s o i and to a even greater extent sally even though's not a pd r district it's designed to function as a pd r district and to a great end decent the neighborhoods were not granted the same fleck act for historic buildings because of competing goals and the preserve thing the competing goals in that district went out and that was the proposal in had area too is that one of the incidentses between s o i and sall
. >> commissioner antonini. >>> yeah, air force question for mr. tig, in regards to the individually eligible -- individual properties now two questions first of all,, i heard you say something about north of harrison it seems it to me, that they should be eligible anywhere in the district including the area south but most of them are north and north of hair south but it it would seem to me that the whole point is allow them the flexibility to develop what they need to be viable...